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Degrowth is coming whether or not anybody wants it. The specific criticisms of capitalism are in fact criticisms of humans Limited cognitive capacity driven by selection pressure. Our planning time Horizon is 50 to 100 years maximum. Unfortunately all the problems of today were hundreds of years in the making and will require hundreds or thousands of years to resolve. What we have today is more accurately called short form capitalism that reflects the limited time planning Horizon of humans. What you need is long form capitalism which fully accounts for the consequence Loop. Society will move much slower innovation will be incremental. That's the trade off. And that has be a conscious decision from every person on the planet that we are not going to go head first into the maximum power principle.

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What troubles me about the claim that finance reform is the necessary first step toward degrowth or post-growth is that it seems to concede quite a lot at the outset. It treats finance as a legitimate base layer of social coordination, and assumes the task is to redirect it toward better outcomes. I understand the practical appeal of that, because it provides handles that existing institutions can easily grasp, but I am not sure it fully captures what finance is doing socially. Describing finance as a way of converting liquidity into investment may explain an operational function, yet it leaves out the extent to which finance also organizes enforceable claims over the future. Finance structures access, allocates risk, disciplines behavior, and concentrates decision-making power in institutions built on abstraction. If that is part of its core role, then preserving finance as the starting point risks preserving the grammar of domination itself.

So the logic feels inverted to me. A politics that claims to move beyond growth should be careful about beginning with the reaffirmation of institutions that made abstract accumulation and hierarchical allocation possible in the first place. Reforming finance may soften some harms, but it can also leave intact the machinery through which social life ismade legible to power. In that sense, it will likely end up treating specific choke points as inevitable, and then proposing to regulate it more ethically. That may be an improvement, but it is not necessarily transformation.

We also have ample historical precedent showing that complex human societies have coordinated provisioning, obligation, and long-term stewardship through commons, reciprocity, customary systems, mutual aid, guilds, communal storage, and federated forms of cooperation without finance acting as the sovereign layer. These arrangements were imperfect, but they demonstrate that monetized and financialized coordination is not a civilizational necessity. So the functional layer of finance isn't actually necessary unless we are deliberately including the very institutions that have led us to requiring change.

And our modern technological capacities make the old justification even weaker. Distributed communication, real-time data sharing, participatory planning tools, ecological monitoring, and networked logistics give us a massive ability to coordinate more directly than most past societies ever had. If earlier communities could organize life without finance under much tighter informational constraints, then surely we should at least be willing to ask whether finance needs to remain central at all.

So my objection is not simply that finance reform is inadequate. It is that it may begin from the wrong premise. Rather than assuming finance must remain the first step, I think a serious post-growth politics should ask how dependence on finance can be reduced from the outset, and what forms of coordination could begin to make it less necessary.

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