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Matthew T Hoare's avatar

As if degrowth could be stopped. Poor delusional fools. They are in for a nasty surprise.

The only real question is whether we plan for the inevitable degrowth that has already started or whether we just fall down the metaphorical stairs.

Tim MacDonald's avatar

Would we ever consider presenting the learning of ecological economics as something other than for or against Growth?

Might we consider a new framing? Something like a Growth vs. Save the World economy, where saving the world is not about perpetuating the present, but adaptively evolving to the changing circumstances of the changing times.

If we give ourselves space to imagine something different from Growth, something like Save the World, when we enter that space to deliberate on the possibilities, we will quickly find ourselves pulling on the threads of inquiry into why Growth matters, which quickly becomes an inquiry into to whom does Growth matter, which sooner or later leads to the insight that Growth is essential to securities trading markets professionals, as the primary driver of liquidity in the securities trading markets. But is there an alternative, for society, to securities trading for financing business at scale?

In the everyday spaces of everyday living, that may be unimaginable.

So, we need to create spaces that are not everyday spaces - spaces for inquiry and learning for deliberation and judgment - in which that which is unimaginable can be imagined, and investigated.

Matt Orsagh's avatar

I think there are many ways to present it. A wellbeing economy, doughnut economics are just a few. You can step away from economic growth as an organizing principle of your society without saying "degrowth". Our culture has just internalized the growth mindset. That can and will change. I don't care much what it is called.